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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I managed to travel 65 miles on the thing to get it home, cruising between 45 and 50 mph.

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Checked on insurance tonight, they want £75 Fully Comp and £70 TPF&T. I've asked Bennetts if I can add it to an existing policy. If I can I will insure it and come down on it on Saturday.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at all.

When I was riding the bike home it still belonged to the previous owner. I'd left a deposit with him while I took a test ride from his house to mine. I was therefore covered on my existing insurance which allows me to ride a bike loaned to me, provided it is also insured by the owner, is taxed, and has an MoT.

When I got home I confirmed that following my test ride I would like to buy the bike, and the deposit which just happened to be the same as the purchase price, became his payment and the paperwork was completed.

From that point I owned the bike. Now I own it I am no longer covered by my existing insuramne on my other bikes so must insure it to be able to re-tax it.

Do you know anything about "short term" insurance? If I could tax it for a month I might do that and come down to Squires on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When I was riding the bike home it still belonged to the previous owner. I'd left a deposit with him while I took a test ride from his house to mine. I was therefore covered on my existing insurance which allows me to ride a bike loaned to me, provided it is also insured by the owner, is taxed, and has an MoT.


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I've been wondering how to get a bike home without having to tax it in my name for a while now.

You must be a loophole specialist arlurt Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Objects in your mirror may appear smaller"... If only!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There has to be a good bit in here somewhere...





The exhaust has a long crack in the underside, and the pipe to the silencer was "joined" to the expansion chamber with fibreglass.



Rear wheel bearings are shot, but no other nasty surprises with the bits I want to use so far.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the pipe to the silencer was "joined" to the expansion chamber with fibreglass.

The silencer on my DT125R was "reinforced" with layers of bacofoil and araldite. By me. More than once. And not when I was a cash-strapped teenager either. Innocent

But then F1 teams have been using 'composites' to good effect for 30 years. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I know why second-hand exhausts sell for so much money. It also explains why it was so LOUD riding home, and why it didn't seem to affect performance. The tin is really thin and it seems they rot like hell. On the plus side, if I can repair this one to a half decent standard I can flog it for good money to help pay for the bits I am using.

The fairing panels really are bad, the worst cracks are taped over or laced with ty-raps, and then taped over. Random self tappers hold it all together. There's a mass of fibreglass in the top fairing, and very little resin holding it together. I think the lugs have gon on the headlight, which is a shame as I was thinking of using it.

Bad as the panels are, there are people selling similarly rough ones on t'net. New one are expensive, and if little Johnny's going to bin the bike again next week there's no point putting decent ones on his bike. I think they're saleable as well.

I'll have a look at patching the exhaust over the weekend but don't think it'll be coming to Squires on Saturday.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought I'd see if I could tack the exhaust back together for a ride out to Squires tomorrow and so had a go at cleaning it up.

I think it's a full Malossi Race expansion chamber and silencer. It's very light, thin steel which is doubtless why it's rotted, and probably also explains why the bike goes so well for a moped with a fat bloke sat on it.

I've spent an hour welding holes and cracks, and pot a strengthening piece on the underside, and I think it looks OK.



It's had a splash of Strokerboy's B&Q Bar-B-Que paint, I'll stick it back on the bike and see how it goes.



Of course this isn't just about my RS50. These performance exhausts seem to be highly sought after on eBay, so flogging it will subsidise my project.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a little ride out on the RS50 yesterday afternoon with the repaired exhaust and some air in the front tyre. There was less that 10psi in the front and by the look of the odd wear pattern in the front tyre I'd say it's been like that for a long time. now handles really nicely, I can see there a lot of fun to be had in one of these.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm, is that a faint whiff of 2 stroke in the air?

I smell an Aprilia Rs50 restoration on the cards

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I confess I am impressed with the RS50, but no, I won't be restoring it. If I had a sixteen year old son, then yes it's worth the work and the cost. Genuine parts are reasonable too. I've bought genuine new front and rear disks, at £25 and £35 each. But a rear brake lever was £30 too, and not available as a pattern part.

I'm going to strip the RS50 and flog the bits I don't need. The engine is good, very good. And I hope I can get a decent price for the exhaust now. Some of the bodywork is saleable, and the frame and V% should go.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got my self a new but shop-soiled Lifan 110cc engine on the way. Very Happy

The Lifan will provide lots of new parts to go inside the SS50 cases, the long stroke crank, thinner oil pump drive shaft, higher capacity oil pump, twin plate clutch, a cylinder and head, and lots of new bearings.

I want to use the SS50 cases to keep it looking Honda. I have to modify the cases to take the bigger bore (52.4mm?) 110 cylinder, open out the oil feed to the head, and modify the oil pump mounting face to take the later type oil pump.

The new engine has an iron cylinder, in keeping with the SS50 one, but I've also got an alloy one as well. I think the alloy one should be better for my purposes, I can paint it black for effect to make it look more like the SS50. I rushed in and bought a 110cc big bore kit early on thinking that a 12v C90 engine would be easy to get hold of for the other parts I needed, but that's not the case anymore. I got this lot for under £50, including postage!




Other forums tell me the SS50 gearbox will work with the Lifan parts, and that as Lifan gearboxes aren't generally as solid as their Honda parents I should use the Honda bits.

When the engine is built up for the special there should be enough parts to make another engine which I can have as a spare, or sell on to recover some of my costs.

Quite looking forward to having a new engine to take apart, there should be no butchered fasteners, no hidden bodges, and no cleaning to do before I start.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Lifan Chinese 110cc donor engine arrived yesterday, looks like just what I need. It’s NOS, dropped at some point between China and my house, resulting in a slightly bent gear change lever shaft. I don’t intend using the gearbox anyway, so the bent shaft and any other damage resulting from the knock it’s had shouldn't be a problem for me.



You can tell the SS50 is related, but they do look different.



I am constantly amazed by how much stuff you get for your money with modern Chinese bikes. I’ve paid £126 for the engine, including shipping from the UK supplier, and I’m assured by the supplier that the engine is perfectly serviceable as it is, not just as a source of parts. It’s come in its original Chniese packaging and not a mark on it.

First stage has to be to strip both engines to confirm they can be re-combined to give me a Honda SS50 with a long stroke crank, big bore, uprated clutch and high capacity oil pump. I should be able to build a second engine out of what’s left that would be a 50cc short stroke 6v engine with points ignition and a single plate clutch. No use in itself, but easier to store than a pile of parts.

The difficult part now is putting all this to one side while I finish the KH250!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Small victories must be celebrated...



Having taken all the broken bodywork off, what's left isn't that bad. Very Happy



It actually looks better for peeling all the scraped and knackered decals.

I've had two more goes at getting insurance on it, cheapest I can manage is £75 so I've got to strip it to stop me from being tempted to ride it!

On the down side, I think to odd wear in the front tyre is so bad it'll need a new one, even though there's loads of tread. Rear wheel bearings are shot, and so is the rear shock bottom bush.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tear-down of the RS50 is underway!

Fairing panels listed on eBay, video and photos of the engine done ready to get that listed as well. Not that anyine is showing any interest in buying my cleaned up but scruffy bodywork.

I managed to repair the two out of four damaged RS50 indicators, the standard ones are rather nice multi-LED things that I hope I can use on the project. I've found a headlight unit that I think I can use as well, from a Derbi Senda City Cross, a modern styled E-Marked and Road Legal lamp that I hope will work with the project's modern suspension, wheels, indiactors and dash styling.
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